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Sadəcə olaraq sualınızı bu səhifəyə yeni başlıq kimi əlavə edin, tez bir zamanda cavablandırılacaq.

Daha tez cavab almaq istəyirsinizsə, sol tərəfdəki yan paneldə əlaqələndirilmiş IRC kanalımıza və ya Discord serverimizə baş çəkin.

Utancaq olmayın. Kim bilir, başqalarında da eyni sual ola bilər.



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touhouwiki.net ilə bağlı


Niyə bu layihə elə touhouwiki.net saytında həyata keçirilə bilmədi?
Bu layihəyə başladığımız zaman ayrıca səhifənin yaradılmasının əsas səbəbi bizim üzvlərimiz və onların idarə heyəti arasında yaranmış şəxsi bir drama tarixi idi. Bu gərginliklər əsasən aradan qalxdığı üçün bu artıq doğru deyil.

Bununla belə, bunun əvvəlcədən yaxşı fikir olmamasının üç əsas səbəbi var.


 * Onlar funksiyadan çox formatı əsas tuturlar
 * Həm idarə heyəti, həm də redaktor bazası asanlıqla təhlil oluna bilən viki ideyasına qarşı çıxıb və ya sadəcə olaraq ona əhəmiyyət vermirdi. Tək başına səliqəli, davamlı MediaWiki yazmaq olduqca zəhmətli bir işdir. Düzünü desəm, yalnız ekranda oxumaq üçün nəzərdə tutulmuş təhlil oluna bilən bir viki saytı qurmaq bir az əks-intuitiv hiss etdirir.


 * İlk və əsas olaraq bizim saytımız funksional olmalıdır. Avtomatik olaraq təhlil edilə bilməsi üçün səhifələr xüsusi formatda hazırlanmalıdır.


 * Touhouwiki.net-də bunu etmək o deməkdir ki, biz bu formatı redaktor bazasına zorla tətbiq etməliyik. Burada nəinki bir çox müxalifətlə qarşılaşacağımızı gözləmirik, həm də bu mövcud səhifələri redaktə etmək onları sıfırdan yaratmaqdan daha çox vaxt aparacaq.


 * viki ailəsi anlayışı
 * 2010-cu ilin sonunda touhouwiki.net Wikia-dan ayrılanda, bütün əvvəlcədən hazırlanmış tərcümələri daxil etməklə bir serverdə yerləşdirilmiş yeni bir çoxdilli Touhou viki ailəsi yaratmaq qərarına gəldik.


 * Dəstəkləmək istədiyimiz hər bir dil üçün tamamilə yeni bir viki açmalı olacaqdıq. Serverin arxa üzündə lazımi hazırlıq işlərindən əlavə, buna çoxlu məzmun təkrarlanması da daxildir. Bizə yeni əsas səhifə lazım olacaqdı, istifadə edilən bütün şablon infrastrukturunu kopyalayıb-yapışdırıb, bu səhifələrin tərcümələrini vikikoda sərt kodlaşdırıb, bu vikilərin hər birində tərcümə edilə bilən məzmunun dəyişikliklərini və ya yeniləmələrini sinxronizasiya etməli olacaqdıq.


 * Amma bizim saytımızda yeni dil tərcüməsi yaratmaq, açılan menyudan dili seçmək qədər sadədir. Qalan portalların yaradılması və avtomatik yeniləyiciyə inteqrasiyası bir neçə dəqiqəlik işdir.


 * Sonluqlar
 * Onlar özlərini bir törəmə Touhou əsəri kimi görərək, ZUN-un istifadə şərtləri ilə bağlı olduqlarını hiss edirlər. Beləliklə, onlar sonluqları yerləşdirmək istəmirlər, lakin biz istəyirik. Bəziləri üçün onları spoyler keçidləri ilə istifadəçi məkanında yerləşdirmək yüngül cinayət sayıla bilər, lakin bu cür uşaqcasına iddiaları nəzərə almaq üçün heç bir səbəb yoxdur.

Hətta əgər bütün bu məsələləri oturub, müzakirə edib və birtəhər həll edə bilsək belə, buna nail olmaq üçün sərf olunmuş vaxt mənasızdır - bu işdə iştirak edən heç kəsə heç bir faydası yoxdur. Məzmunun parçalanması (yeri gəlmişkən, sadəcə burada əlaqələndirilməklə asanlıqla aradan qaldırıla bilər) və müxtəlif istifadəçi hesablarına ehtiyac bunu çətin əsaslandırır.

But they still have the most up-to-date English translations, haven't they?
For the older Windows games, this is probably true, since their English translations for these currently receive more attention than ours. As of though, this has largely become a matter of personal taste.

Since their content is licensed under Creative Commons, we can freely use their existing translations for our cause. This means that we'll be gradually copy-pasting these to our page as long as we don't have our own translation for a certain source. Of course, we give full credit to the original authors whenever we are doing this.

And what's so special about your format?
In plain terms, this means the following:


 * In-game dialog tables require a code parameter containing the entry and time parameters from the  file. Each template call must correspond to one dialog box in-game and contain a maximum of 2 lines of dialog.
 * Spell card templates need to contain the number of the card.

What about endings?

 *  We are going to post the ending text and graphics. 
 *  Clearly visible and translatable just like the rest of the content. 
 *  Regardless of what any interpretation of ZUN's guidelines might say about this subject. 
 *  If (and only if) ZUN were to complain about this personally, we will look for ways around it. 

This is a site policy and not up for discussion, as it is one of the key reasons why we need a separate site, run by a separate staff, for this project.

In our opinion, this was the main issue why such a project was never considered. It certainly was a major factor in establishing "the English wiki" and "the English patch group" as separate entities, a distinction we aim to eradicate.

Quite a number of people have misunderstood this move as a deliberate attempt to get ZUN's attention. Of course, we could now start arguing and choose some nice words to paint ourselves in a better light. But ultimately, this changes nothing about the facts. Treating the endings just like any other modifiable part of the game is just the most natural thing for us to do. Unless we receive any kind of official cease-and-desist notice, we will continue to do so.

Do you really let everyone translate?

 * If you are mainly afraid of spammers, you'll find more information on that topic on our security page.

Yes, we do - and if you haven't realized yet, so does every other Touhou wiki, because that's how wikis work. The only difference here is that our contributors have a direct influence over the game data seen by thousands of fans - which is something every single editor certainly has dreamed of.

Therefore, if you want any control over your translations,     is the wrong place to put them. Instead, you should build your own patch server.

How are translation disputes handled?
The site administration only provides the engine and the hosting, and has no preference for certain ways of translating certain things. We may have an opinion on these too, though, but this will not be worth more than the opinion of every single translator.

Please use the portal pages to discuss whatever problems may arise and to reach compromises. In case an amicable solution really is impossible or counter-productive, we can always create separate language codes for different translation possibilities (e.g. "literal" and "idiomatic" translations), which can then coexist.

Is it acceptable to translate from Japanese to English and then finally to German (or any other language)?
The same answer also applies to this question. The translations are fully controlled by the translators themselves.

With the large number of languages we have, it is simply impossible for the site administration to do any kind of quality control. Thus, we wouldn't even notice which version your translation is based on, most of the time.

If you do translate from another translation (most likely English), be sure to add the wiki pages of this translation to your watchlist by clicking the star next to the search bar on the top. This will send you a e-mail notification whenever something has been changed and needs to be reflected in your language.

Do I need to translate everything? Spell card names / music titles / character titles would sound stupid in my language.
Generally, you should translate everything that can be translated and that would appear clearly visible in the game itself. After all, someone else who speaks the same language, is not connected to you or your translation group, or does not share your views on stupid sounding translations may come in at any time and translate these elements you left out. Of course, if everyone thinks a translation would sound stupid, no translation will ever be entered in the first place. As with this whole project, nobody forces you to do things you don't like to do.

If you prefer certain elements to stay in a different language, you can always use patch stacking and blacklist the respective files using the ignore parameter in your run configuration. This will be made user-friendlier once we have a graphical configuration tool.

In case you do decide to leave out certain things though, please really leave the boxes blank and don't copy-paste the English text in there.

The language I want to translate in doesn't have a code yet.
Simply leave a message on the main talk page, and translation will be set up shortly.

Some spell cards and music titles are already partly in English in the Japanese version. Do I translate these parts too?
Every single row in the translation table is one self-contained translation unit. These are already split into the smallest sensible parts. Using even smaller parts (like a "Japanese" and "English" part) would significantly increase the complexity of the patcher - it would then have to somehow piece these smaller parts back together to form one complete translation unit.

Thus, it is up to every language to decide between either keeping (and copying) these English parts or translating them too.

Can I use MediaWiki markup in the translation boxes?
Some of it:


 * Any wiki links are filtered out and rendered as expected.
 * Bold and italic text (as well as both at the same time) is displayed as such inside the games themselves.
 * Custom works for in-game dialog in every game starting from . Previously, we even "supported" games prior to that, but deprecated this support as the results weren't really legible in the lower resolution of the older games (see bug #47). That said, Ruby annotations are not really meant for Latin scripts anyway, and should thus be used sparingly with those. Rewriting the translation to somehow reflect the annotated information would be preferable in any case.
 * If the original Japanese text uses Ruby to  for emphasis, italics (written using  this syntax ) would be a better-looking alternative for languages using Latin script.
 * If you absolutely have to pad a text with spaces at the beginning or the end, you can use &amp;nbsp;. This is necessary for certain hardcoded ASCII strings.
 * HTML tags are generally not supported.

Do I always need to be connected to the Web in order to use the patch?
Of course not. The data for a certain patch is downloaded and stored on your hard disk when the respective game is launched. If no Internet connection is available, thcrap will just use the latest data.

Would non-Latin scripts (Cyrillic, Hangul, Arab, Indic, etc.) pose any problem?
Not at all, since we use UTF-8 in every component of the patch. In fact, we would very much appreciate translations into languages using those scripts to demonstrate this fact.

Proper display of right-to-left scripts is, however, not implemented yet, and will be dealt with when requested.

I know an existing ZUN game translation patch into a language not present on the site. Would you like to import it?
Sure! We're always happy to incorporate existing patches into this site. Please mail a link to the patch to  and we'll take a look at it.

We always like to credit the original people who worked on the translation. If these credits are not included in the archive, installer, the linked, or anywhere else we could easily find them, please provide them in your e-mail.

Will your patch work in Linux/MacOS X, using Wine?
Generally, there should be no issues.

Do you need any particular fonts for the text to look right? Can you change the default font?
Nmlgc's script_latin patch includes fonts with sufficient Unicode coverage of both Latin and Cyrillic scripts, and also bundles the necessary font files. All of our translation patches for languages in these scripts include script_latin among their dependencies.

Patches for other languages written with scripts not covered by these fonts (e.g. Chinese) don't include script_latin, and instead specify a font bundled with Windows suited for displaying that language (MingLiU for Traditional, SimHei for Simplified Chinese) instead.

Lastly, users can always override any default font setting by specifying a font parameter in the run configuration file created by thcrap_configure.

In case a game uses two or more separate fonts, every replacement font from the second one on is set via hardcoded string translation. Currently, it is not possible to override these.

Is your patch compatible with the demo/trial versions of the Touhou games?
thcrap fully supports all trial versions that were released during the time where it was in active development - that is, all Team Shanghai Alice games released since. Support for the trial versions of older games is still missing, though, as it just hasn't been a priority yet. While the configuration tool detects them, the basic technical support is still missing.

Manuals and omake text files?
As of 2016-12-22, yes. The future GUI is planned to be able to display supplementary information about the patches themselves, so it makes sense to cover the original HTML manuals and text files as well. Through the GUI, we could even apply a series of stacked patches to them, just like on any other piece of game data.

custom.exe?
Yes. Since we patch the resolution dialogs that recent games show on startup, there really is no reason to leave out custom.exe, as it is technically a Windows dialog as well.

Uwabami Breakers?
Yes. As it's based on a modified MoF engine, we count it towards the main series.

Fighting games?
is fully finished. Basic support for, , and  are all in various WIP stages.

The last missing game to be added is, which will also happen evenually.

Seihou?
We'd love to tackle ' and ', even more so than the fighting games. Popular opinion, however, will probably think the other way round.

, on the other hand, is such a trainwreck that we rank it on the same level as a generic and unimportant fan game.

PC-98?
We actively supported xJeePx's incentive of finishing static English patches for the 5 PC-98 games. However, patching the PC-98 Touhou games for multilingual translation would be a very hard thing to do. The ReC98 project ultimately plans to port the games to modern systems, along with support for multilingual translation, after having reconstructed the original source code of the games.

Fan games?
Generally, we don't want to deal with any hacking work on those on our own. However, we would definitely be open to provide hosting for any patch that wants to use either
 * this website for storing and serving translations (it will be treated like any other game already translatable on this site)
 * our engine for data injection into the game (in this case, we merely host the patch archive or installer)
 * or both.

The translation group for the respective game still remains responsible to supply the necessary code injection points, assembly hacks, and data conversion scripts.

My own fan game?
No problem. This wiki provides text translations in both the JSON format used in our existing patches (example), or in gettext .po format (example, right-click to save with the correct file name). You can then use this data in any way you wish, either as a part of your asset pipeline, or by automatically downloading these client-side, as in thcrap.

Please contact us on https://thpatch.net/w/logos/discord.png Discord or https://thpatch.net/w/logos/facebook.png Facebook to organize the process.

However, please keep the following in mind:
 * Both your original text and the translations will have to be licensed under, and will be freely readable on this webpage.
 * While our site can provide translations for images, please try to keep the amount of those at a minimum, as image translation is typically rather time-consuming.

Fan games with ZUN's involvement? E.g. Torte le Magic, Magus in Mystic Geometries? Or are they treated the same as 'fan games' above?
The deciding factor is the engine used by the game, not which people were involved in its creation. We are very reluctant to develop automatic patching for an engine that will probably never be used for a different game ever again.

That said, ...

Other doujin games? Visual novels in particular?
Yeah, we know that the base engine is generic enough that a lot of games can be supported with comparatively little effort. Especially text-heavy games like visual novels would greatly benefit from having immediate, continuous updates.

Who knows, maybe this project will even turn into the General Japanese Game Patch Center one day. But let's focus on Touhou first, OK?